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To be short...Brother, there are two Adam's mentioned in the scriptures, the first man was of this earth, thereby earthy; the second man was the Lord from heaven. Each one stood as a representative of their posterity; what one did as far as God's righteous Justice was concerned, they did it for their body members that shall come from them, whether disobedience or obedience, their life was put to the account of their members as though they themselves did the act, again, whether disobedience or obedience. See Romans 5:12-19 This is beautifully pictured for us in the little epistle written by Paul to his friend Philemon.

there are two Adam's mentioned in the scriptures, the first man was of this earth, thereby earthy; the second man was the Lord from heaven.

I know, and I agree.

Each one stood as a representative of their posterity; what one did as far as God's righteous Justice was concerned, they did it for their body members that shall come from them, whether disobedience or obedience, their life was put to the account of their members as though they themselves did the act, again, whether disobedience or obedience.

I could agree to this. But, would you say each (Adam and Jesus) know, and are aware of this, and acted in obedience or disobedience with this consciousness in themselves?

So, Michael, it is true that WE sinned in Adam, what Adam did it was as though WE DID, and when left to ourselves prove that we are sinners and haters of God. Nevertheless there another side of the truth, that God in his perfect foreknowledge knew what angels and man would do when left to themselves, so, he ordained some to eternal life, both angels and men before he created any, so that they would be preserved through the fall of angels and man. So, in this sense, some angels and m...

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