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RB said...
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it is true that WE sinned in Adam, what Adam did it was as though WE DID,
Michael said...
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I could agree to this.

4WD said...
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Nothing could be further from the truth.  Would you condemn your grandson or your great grandson for something your son did?  I certainly hope you would not.  And neither would God and neither does God.  Everything the Bible says about God cries out profoundly against any such belief [faith] as that.  The entire 18th chapter of Ezekiel is God's specific repudiation of that idea.

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No I would not. But that is not the sense of RB's statement.

Yes, that is exactly the sense of RB's statement and the sense of anyone's statement professing to believe the false doctrine of original sin, the false doctrine of total depravity, or the false doctrine of the "fall" of mankind due to Adam's sin.

This is the sense of RB's statement;

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Each one stood as a representative of their posterity; what one did as far as God's righteous Justice was concerned, they did it for their body members that shall come from them, whether disobedience or obedience, their life was put to the account of their members as though they themselves did the act, again, whether disobedience or obedience.

This sense is seen and illustrated in Abraham and Levi.

Hebrew 7:9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

It is recorded that Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek (Genesis 14:18-20) We know that Levi was not yet born at that time. Levi was a descendant of Abraham through Isaac and through Jacob. When Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek, Levi was still in the loins of his father, yet scriptures clearly speak of Levi as to have paid tithes to Melchizedek. This is what RB was pointing out and is the sense of this s...
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